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see the UN they in your church America

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highway or a road along a levee for

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pharmacist leader nothing can beat her

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life is complete or in go make a day

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okay people today I'm psyched to be

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having a higher side chat with Martin

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ball he's the author of several books of

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our life and psychedelics such as being

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mushroom wisdom and the in Theo genic

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evolution he also hosts a podcast by the

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same name Martin welcome to THC well

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thank you very much for having me here

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um can we start by telling the people

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how you got started with psychedelic

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compounds and how they've kind of

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affected your life and your outlook on

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reality okay Wow well that's sort of a

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long story but to make it short sure my

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first experience with what are called

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psychedelics or infusions was after my

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first year of college and I was home for

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the summer and going with some friends

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to a festival called gathering of the

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vibes in Northern California which was

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my first time ever going to a big

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festival like that I don't I open and

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actually as we were driving in to the

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event some guy was walking along the

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line of cars of people driving in

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distant room shrooms and the friend of

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mine who was driving the car

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you know leaned out as a guy hey come on

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over here and so he bought some

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mushrooms from this guy and you know

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looking back on it I think they were

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mostly just stems and quite sure how

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much was in the bag or anything that I'd

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never I'd never even seen a mushroom

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before I had no idea what they did so

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that was just my very first experience

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and I was kind of at the beginning of

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the summer so then I kind of got into it

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over the course of that summer and did

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mushrooms a few more times and was

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really amazed by the experiences but

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then shortly after that probably in the

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fall or winter following that summer

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I really started kind of breaking

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through into kind of psychedelic states

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of consciousness whenever something

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would remind me of my mushroom

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experiences so it would be anything from

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like seeing a pattern rug or looking at

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the shapes of leaves in the trees that

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it would just set me off and that

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actually was very uncomfortable for me

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at the time so sure there was a quite a

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time period there where I did not use

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any Indians because that was just really

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disturbing and I would really panic when

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that would happen and so my heart rates

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would increase and you know I would I

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ended up at a cardiologist and I was

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diagnosed heart murmur and stuff so I

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was really disturbed by the whole thing

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but you know looking back on it now I

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really realized that really I was kind

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of breaking through a lot of things and

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it just scared the crap out of me at the

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time because I didn't have any frame of

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reference for what was happening to me

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and sure so that's why I started with

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Indians was working with mushrooms and

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eventually I went back to working with

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mushrooms a couple years later and

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really had what I considered to be

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really profoundly impactful breakthrough

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experience probably I think that was the

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spring break of my first year of

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graduate school so this was now a few

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years later and that became a very

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foundational experience for me and

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really was the basis for writing my book

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mushroom and wisdom which I actually

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wrote about ten years after that event

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that particular event so I would work

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with mushrooms kind of off and on over

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the years generally that involved me

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traveling up to Oregon to see a friend

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of mine who lived up here and visiting

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him and going out into the redwoods and

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taking mushrooms with him so he's kind

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of my trip buddy

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and Sheriff um along the way um it was

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actually my first year Burning Man that

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about this crazy new psychedelic that

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people were getting interested in called

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salvia divinorum and how it was Li F and

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you could order it right off the

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internet and then they gave the website

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I was like wow this is great the here it

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LA Times fantastic so I ordered up some

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salvia divinorum from Daniel Sieberg at

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Sage wisdom and from there I had my

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first salvia experience at Burning Man

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and instantly just loved salvia I just

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it was just great I mean the first first

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couple hits I took uh you know I read

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that this is really strong it comes on

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really fast so I took some really timid

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hits at the very very beginning of that

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and nothing really happened so then you

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know I kind of packed another bowl and I

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took a big hit and then it just happened

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to salvia happened and I loved it it was

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just so fantastic which later I was to

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learn that actually terrifies most

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people and that's yeah most people who

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have their first healthy experience

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swear that they'll never go back to it

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again but I was just so empowered I was

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so jazzed oh this is great is so great

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so overpass salvia for a few years I'm

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starting in 2001 and for a long time it

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really my only experience with entheogen

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s-- was mushrooms and salvia divinorum

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and also in that time period I started

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writing kind of on a whim I just decided

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that I wanted to write my own fantasy

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epic so I did and that ended up being

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four books long and at the end of app

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after I wrote those books I realized

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that I really had put everything that I

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had learned from entheogen into those

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four novels and so I thought well maybe

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I could extract some of this information

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and write a little book about what

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spirituality and entheogen means to me

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and that was then the product of my book

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mushroom wisdom came out of that so

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that's when I first really started

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writing explicitly about infusions and

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sage R on salvia divinorum called sage

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spirit and yeah so that's kind of how I

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got started in the field also I should

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emphasize that when I was a graduate

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student I was in religious studies so

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right yeah that's what I was gonna ask

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you how that how it shaped because your

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opinion going in college had to be quite

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different I would assume once you

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started doing mushrooms and salvia yeah

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um I was a philosophy major as an

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undergraduate and actually before I was

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a philosophy major my split was am I

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going to go into physics or am I going

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to go into philosophy that I knew from

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high school that I was really interested

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in both those subjects I was fairly

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proficient in calculus and things like

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that so I really felt that I could go in

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either direction and at the beginning of

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college I just found that I was so

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enthusiastic about my philosophy classes

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oh okay I'll be a philosophy major and

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then after a couple years of that I got

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more and more interested in religious

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studies because I found that in

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philosophy I was really just getting

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dead white guys from Europe which was

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great there's a lot of interesting

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information there but I was just more

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curious than that but I wanted to see

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what else is out there so I ended up

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going into religious studies and then as

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a graduate student I emphasized Native

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American traditions I actually did my

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PhD dissertation living at the Mescalero

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Apache reservation in New Mexico so

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shamanism comparative mysticism and the

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philosophy of science and religion those

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were really my main areas as a graduate

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student so it's kind of kind of my own

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personal seeking was going on at the

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same time that I was doing all these

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academic studies and really just reading

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a lot studying a lot I mean being a

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graduate student at UCSB was really kind

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of horrendous you know I would just read

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Sanskrit for a while I taught myself

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Navajo so that I could learn Apache when

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I went to the Apache reservation because

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there's no materials on learning Apache

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so quite an experience being a graduate

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student and all the while kind of on the

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side doing my thing with the with the

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medicines and then reading up on it

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within the area of religious studies as

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much as I could but at that time you

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know there's actually a lot more

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material is available now that was out

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of a period where there were some

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materials on ethnobotany so some

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interesting things out there but not a

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between religion especially the the main

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religions and possible connections to

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entheogen and things like that so the

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field has shifted quite a bit by this

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anytime right anyway that's my sort of

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long story short but I guess I only ever

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loved it but I thought I'd give you a

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chance to ask a question no that's cool

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um well you know I just got done reading

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uh being human which I thought was

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pretty eye-opening um but on the subject

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of religion you start off in that book

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by explaining away most traditional

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views of God has false projections of

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our own ego and I think most people

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listening would probably agree with that

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but I mean do you think these God is

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like God is king concepts do you think

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they were born out of our collective

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ignorance and a fear of death or do you

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think they're more sinister like a

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orchestrated perversion to control

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society no no no it's just a natural

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byproduct of the ego you know the ego

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formulates all different kinds of ways

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of conceptualizing whatever it wants to

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think is sacred and that just happens to

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be one kind of formulation that became

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very predominant within first Middle

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Eastern societies and then spread

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through Hellenic and Greek culture and

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then Roman culture and then kind of

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infected all of European culture this

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idea of God is king I mean there is a

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lot of different ideas around before

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Christianity and Judaism and sort of

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their monotheistic view of this all

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transcendent all-powerful male God that

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ultimately gets pissed off a lot and has

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a lot of rules but that's all a

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projection of the ego just like all all

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the different formulations are the

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various gods and goddesses they're all

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just formulations of the ego they set up

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a dualistic experience between someone

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who is feeling separate and isolated and

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then projecting outward some notion of

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some kind of transcendent other that

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they can look to and it just becomes a

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way that people formulate their

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identities and their sense of being in

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the world so I don't think that there's

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anything necessarily nefarious about it

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certainly it plays in really well with

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the male masculine hegemonic power and

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you know patriarchal domination if it

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fits great and it you know serves

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society and had capacity um girl she's

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gotta think it's something we just

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stumbled into yeah essentially it's just

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one of various possibilities um you know

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it's it's just such a natural reaction

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like take Buddhism for example so early

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Buddhism

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buuut is really really clear he says

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look I'm not a God

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don't be worshipping me don't be praying

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to me don't be looking I need to solve

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all your problems and you know I'm just

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a man who has figured out the nature of

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reality and guess what it's non-dual

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folks it's there really is no such thing

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as an individual self that whatever it

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is that you think you are that's not you

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that was kind of buddha's main message

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and also sure we produce our own

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suffering our own unhappiness by the

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confusion of our ego so there buddha was

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really right on and he made it very

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clear that when he was dead he was gone

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and he's not someone that people should

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be praying to or something like that but

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then you know some 500 years later we

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get these developments of mahayana

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buddhism which is altering vary greatly

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from early original buddhism which now

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develops sort of this do-gooder kind of

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attitude which is also an expression of

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the ego but when you convince yourself

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that oh i have to help everybody else

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well that's still a construction of your

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own sense of self and still exertion of

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your ego and within that manifestation

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of this new form of buddhism suddenly

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buddha's turned into a god-like figure

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now suddenly he's someone you can pray

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to any heisel he lives in these heavenly

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realms and he has these pure paradises

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and if you pray to these different

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buddhas you can be reborn in these

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paradises and then actually there's

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certain forms of Buddhism that say in

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total contradiction to early buddhism

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where buddha said if you want to be

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enlightened you have to do it yourself

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you have to focus your mind and you have

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to figure it out and ultimately you have

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to do it on your own no one can do it

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for you but then later buddhism like

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Pure Land Buddhism says oh we lived in

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such a degenerate age that we are

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powerless and so we have to turn to a

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deity that's transcendent and beyond us

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and pray and worship that deity so that

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we can be reborn and that Dee Dee's

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paradise and so here in Buddhism this is

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this ego movement away from really the

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stark reality the Buddha was talking

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about that hey it's up to you and

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there's no real gods the way that you

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think of them involved here - suddenly

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Buddha gets transformed and morphed into

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this all-powerful male

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kind of figure it's a little bit more

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abstract than that but it's the workings

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of the ego and it alters the tradition

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so it's it's just the way that egos work

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that it it tends to be easier for an ego

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to form a sense of identity if it thinks

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that there's some all-powerful force

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outside of it that it can put its

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allegiance into and put its belief into

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and it it makes things easier for

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certain aspects of the ego to have

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conceptions like that so you know really

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true lawn duel traditions are something

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that's very very rare in human culture

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and most human cultures would much

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rather prefer to worship a transcendent

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deity that exists outside of the self in

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some sense because it's easier for the

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ego so that's why that's the

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predominance in terms of religious

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constructions around the world that we

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see it's very rare that you find the

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individuals like Buddha or perhaps Lao

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Tzu in Taoism that says hey you know

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guess guess what it's actually you and

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so you got to figure out who you are and

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you can't be looking to other people -

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or other entities or forces to solve

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that for you because that's ultimately

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an illusion it's a projection that

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you're creating right no that's fair I

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mean I totally uh you know I totally

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think that people seek that out I just

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kind of think that there's forces at

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play that take advantage of the fet of

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the knowledge that we sort of seek out

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some Savior yeah but that's human that's

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human nature that's the ego as well that

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the ego is always going to use whatever

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tools that it has at its disposal - its

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perceived or imagined advantage I mean

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that it's just what people do so and

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coming to my own sense of realization

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that I really let go of all kind of

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judgment I'm certainly very discerning

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so I make very strong distinctions

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between what I say is fantasy and what

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is reality but within that I really

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don't hold any judgment it ultimately

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from my perspective now I really

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appreciate the fact that humanity is

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deeply deeply deeply confused and

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because of that it makes all kinds of

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choices that are far from optimal but

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within that

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people generally they're just trying to

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do whatever it is that they can and we

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can't really blame people for taking

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advantage of ego delusion because egos

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make it so easy so it's kind of like

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you're asking for it if you're gonna

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play the game you're gonna have to play

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the game and it doesn't matter if you

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like the rules or not because you're

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good yeah no that's good um another

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thing I really liked about being human

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in terms of your sort of philosophy it's

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kind of interesting because when it

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comes to your views on death you

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basically share the same opinion as an

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atheist and that you pretty much just go

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away but you're also of the idea that

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God is an intelligent being responsible

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for creating the universe so that's kind

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of funny that you incorporate both of

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those views well I want to be really

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specific about it that it's not that God

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created the universe God is the universe

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is the honors correct reality itself God

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is everything that exists so that means

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God is you and God is me and that that's

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what we are so our sense of being an

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individual perspective is something that

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I now fully understand is dependent upon

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the fact that consciousness is being

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processed through a physical body so

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once the physical body is gone that

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individual sense of perspective simply

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doesn't have anywhere to adhere its so

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it essentially vanishes but within that

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so from your individual perspective

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paradoxically your life will seem to

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come to an end at some point however you

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actually are God you are all of reality

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so all of reality isn't going to

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disappear when you die all the rest of

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us are still going to be here and that's

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actually you so just the physical body

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has gone in the perspective that

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associated and is generated from the

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reality of that physical body that now

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dissolves there's nowhere for that to

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adhere to anymore so essentially yes

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death is the end but our whole

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experience of time is ultimately just a

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paradox because given that there is only

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one being and that one being is

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everything that means that we actually

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are eternal and immortal but from that

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unitary perspective that also is the

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equivalent to no time at all eternity

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and no time

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and in infinity and nothing those are

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all the same thing ultimately so from

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that perspective there's nothing

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happening it's only within our embodied

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perspective that we perceive or

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experience anything is happening so

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without the body we don't have a sense

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of time anymore so then there's nothing

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happening but it's happening forever so

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it's ultimately it's a paradox in that

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sense ok so basically I mean would you

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say what do you think of the out-of-body

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experience or astral projection you

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think those are just illusionary as well

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yes absolutely

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ok uh uh when you know in speaking about

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infusions but I like to do is kind of

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correct the language that people don't

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have out-of-body experiences they have

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beyond the body experiences but for the

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most part those are energetic

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constructions that they're making within

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their own consciousness as a projected

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experience and in that sense it's very

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similar to what occurs when we're having

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a dream it's like when you're dreaming

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you perceive yourself generally from the

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perspective of a body in an environment

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with other objects and other beings and

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so your dream ultimately seems very real

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in the sense that it's populated by

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other people other beings and all kinds

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of physical objects and it also seems to

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obey the rules of gravity mean most of

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the time in our dreams were not flying

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around sometimes we do but most the time

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we're walking around and everything is

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perfectly normal and if suddenly we find

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ourselves breathing underwater we're

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usually pretty surprising oh crap I

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can't do that breathing underwater so

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most of the normal rules of reality tend

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to hold together in a dream and within

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the dream we associate as our own

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particular character from our

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perspective within our body within the

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dream however the entire dream is a

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projection of your own private

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individual mind there's nothing in the

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dream that isn't you even though you

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perceive yourself as an individual body

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in an exterior environment that exterior

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environment is just as much you as the

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body that you're projecting yourself

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being in within the dream so for me

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out-of-body experiences I've never

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encountered anyone who's been able to

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convince me that what it is that they

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claim that they're experiencing is not

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just a projection of themselves and

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usually when you really get down to

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people's specific individual details of

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what it is the experience it's fairly

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easy to analyze how its projection of

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their egos and sometimes I mean it's

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really kind of shockingly easy so yeah

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I've never been convinced by anybody's

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account because I can always see the ego

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at work and I would also add that that's

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that's my perspective now this has not

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always been my perspective that this

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right I went through fundamental

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transformation um in started really in

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late 2007 and kind of finished up in

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spring of 2009 and since that time my

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own perspective has been extraordinary

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clear on these matters and so four

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things that for me used to be below I

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don't know that might be true that's so

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fascinating it's just not the case

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anymore that having found my own clarity

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it just is just very clear to me it's

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either ego or it's reality and so for me

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there really isn't any middle ground so

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I have very high standards for that and

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I know that they can be very challenging

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for people to encounter what I have to

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say because it seems very authoritative

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and very very insistent and sometimes I

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might appear not to be open to people's

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ideas but it's because I've explored in

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that things yeah I bet florid all of

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this myself and these are the

545
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:15,760
conclusions that I've reached and the

546
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:17,410
only way I could be convinced otherwise

547
00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:22,690
is if my experience somehow shifted to

548
00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:24,760
where I'd say oh wow look at that but

549
00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:27,670
you know I've I've gone to the end and

550
00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:31,390
it's just me it's always been me that's

551
00:22:34,770 --> 00:22:33,430
just the conclusion that I've arrived at

552
00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:34,780
and so that's what I'm sharing with

553
00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:36,760
other people and doing my best to

554
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:38,950
explain how that works and why it works

555
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:40,930
the way that it does and what it means

556
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:44,530
for us as human beings yeah I mean it

557
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:46,930
makes sense to me I'm I'm still figuring

558
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:49,030
stuff out like I basically I'm not

559
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:51,130
convinced of anything yet like before I

560
00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:52,210
did salvia

561
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,430
I was definitely a pretty hardcore

562
00:22:59,730 --> 00:22:57,520
atheist and to me it was like I did not

563
00:23:02,190 --> 00:22:59,740
expect salvia to be what it was I

564
00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:02,200
actually kind of thought it was a milder

565
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,640
marijuana and

566
00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:05,679
terms will be here probably the prior

567
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,440
yeah it was legal so I just I had a

568
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:10,480
friend from out of town it was legal in

569
00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:12,250
the state in California and he's like oh

570
00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:14,020
let's try it I'm like alright I've tried

571
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,700
it before just feels like spinning in an

572
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,440
office chair it's nothing and all of a

573
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,840
sudden I was not in the room and it was

574
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:22,720
oh man it was [\h__\h] and uh that but

575
00:23:28,049 --> 00:23:25,620
that was it was the feeling that my

576
00:23:28,770 --> 00:23:28,059
personality and my inner voice was still

577
00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:28,780
intact

578
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:31,780
yet I was sensing something else

579
00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:34,330
entirely there was that feeling that

580
00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:36,630
sort of made me think maybe there's

581
00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:39,460
something else to life it made me not so

582
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:41,320
much of an atheist but it's interesting

583
00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:43,740
that you have such experience with

584
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:46,990
psychedelics and you just come to such a

585
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,960
different conclusion I mean I when I

586
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:51,760
read your book and makes perfect sense I

587
00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:55,450
mean I do hear when people get deep deep

588
00:24:00,240 --> 00:23:57,940
deep with DMT a lot of times they talk

589
00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:00,250
about the oneness and I mean there's all

590
00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:01,990
kinds of coded messages in the Bible

591
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:04,660
about when your two eyes become one bla

592
00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:05,110
bla bla

593
00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:08,230
body of white and stuff and I mean it

594
00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:08,980
makes sense

595
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,750
there's you'll see those things all

596
00:24:15,690 --> 00:24:13,120
throughout different old cultures and

597
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,700
old societies yeah it's it's definitely

598
00:24:20,730 --> 00:24:17,440
something that's out there and again I

599
00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:20,740
really want to emphasize how much my own

600
00:24:26,909 --> 00:24:24,190
perspective has really radically shifted

601
00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:26,919
on this because you know thinking back

602
00:24:32,669 --> 00:24:28,630
to my own early experiences with

603
00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:32,679
infusions that certainly part of what

604
00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:36,150
drew me to the experience was suddenly

605
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:39,160
realizing you know maybe all the

606
00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:41,890
spiritual stuff is really totally real

607
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:44,070
because this is the most bizarre thing

608
00:24:49,409 --> 00:24:47,049
that there do seem to be these alternate

609
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:49,419
realities and all these energies and all

610
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:51,190
these different dimensions and all of

611
00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:54,130
this stuff and so that's really what

612
00:24:59,010 --> 00:24:57,460
drew me into exploring it but something

613
00:25:02,970 --> 00:24:59,020
that was important you know looking back

614
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:02,980
now as I see my own trajectory of how I

615
00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:05,490
got to where I am I can see that my

616
00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:08,230
hesitancy to commit to any particular

617
00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:10,630
view was actually the most important

618
00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:11,950
thing that I could do because you know I

619
00:25:14,909 --> 00:25:13,419
do see a lot of people who get to

620
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,919
working with infusions and maybe they

621
00:25:18,739 --> 00:25:16,559
train with a shaman

622
00:25:20,899 --> 00:25:18,749
and then they're all about spirits and

623
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,909
they're really fundamentally convinced

624
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:22,320
that all this stuff is really really

625
00:25:26,389 --> 00:25:24,450
real but as I was going through my own

626
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:26,399
experiences since it was mostly what I

627
00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:28,769
was doing on my own I didn't really have

628
00:25:32,659 --> 00:25:30,929
anyone around to tell me what was or

629
00:25:35,239 --> 00:25:32,669
wasn't the case so I really didn't

630
00:25:37,129 --> 00:25:35,249
develop any solid views but I really had

631
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:37,139
a lot of wondering you know I really

632
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,039
wondered all right

633
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:39,840
all these questions about afterlife

634
00:25:44,259 --> 00:25:42,210
about reincarnation about karma about

635
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,269
spirit entities about disincarnate

636
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:46,799
intelligence about astral projection and

637
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,320
I had a lot of these experiences and

638
00:25:53,509 --> 00:25:51,360
many of them were very convincing to me

639
00:25:55,869 --> 00:25:53,519
but also there was underneath it all

640
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:55,879
there is always this nagging sense of

641
00:26:00,799 --> 00:25:58,860
you know this is really just you but I

642
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:00,809
couldn't identify well why is that

643
00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:04,740
and also honestly a large part of my ego

644
00:26:09,889 --> 00:26:07,230
fought against that because it's it kept

645
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:09,899
telling me that's so egotistical to

646
00:26:14,299 --> 00:26:12,570
think something like that that's yet so

647
00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:14,309
arrogant to think that somehow this is

648
00:26:19,609 --> 00:26:16,590
all your experience that this is all

649
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:19,619
coming from you that you're not you're

650
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,210
just so you get testicle that you think

651
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,340
that these other realms are you that

652
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:25,919
these other beings are you so I really

653
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:28,289
resisted that for a long time until it

654
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:34,080
came to the point where not admitting

655
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:37,110
that to myself that it was all me that I

656
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:39,690
would be lying to myself and the deepest

657
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,419
core of my being and I reached a point

658
00:26:46,609 --> 00:26:44,460
where I was no longer going to lie about

659
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:46,619
anything either to myself or anyone

660
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,070
period I was done I was done hiding from

661
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:53,580
the truth and so I essentially I reached

662
00:26:59,629 --> 00:26:56,490
a point where I had to admit it as much

663
00:27:01,940 --> 00:26:59,639
as my ego wanted to resist it I had to

664
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:01,950
admit that essentially I was God in

665
00:27:06,859 --> 00:27:04,710
human form just as everyone else is and

666
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:06,869
that that's reality and that was

667
00:27:12,019 --> 00:27:09,240
shocking that was absolutely shocking

668
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:12,029
for me because for one I was in the

669
00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:14,129
theist in any kind of way I was kind of

670
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:16,409
a shamanic Buddhist as how I would have

671
00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:19,980
identified myself and to be overwhelmed

672
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:22,350
with this knowledge that my god there

673
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:24,570
really is only one being and it's a

674
00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:26,490
being and it's intelligent and it's

675
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,140
alive and it's all of reality and it's

676
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,600
me and whatever was that I thought I was

677
00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:33,520
that ego that was having all these

678
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:36,390
experiences that was all just a game

679
00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:39,400
it's all just this false construct that

680
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:41,860
was shattering for me you yeah really

681
00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:44,440
shattered my world and the book being

682
00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:46,780
human was the result and ever since then

683
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:52,540
so I wrote that in summer fall of 2009

684
00:27:55,770 --> 00:27:54,310
and ever since then I've essentially

685
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:55,780
been writing the same thing over and

686
00:27:59,910 --> 00:27:57,610
over again in just different formats and

687
00:28:02,640 --> 00:27:59,920
highlighting different ideas and aspects

688
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:02,650
I actually just released a short ebook

689
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,010
today called all is one understanding

690
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:08,080
entheogen x' and non-duality x' and so

691
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:09,310
I'm still writing about the exact same

692
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:11,920
thing that some sense I'm kind of a

693
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:14,500
broken record at this point as I wrote

694
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:16,390
in this little ebook it once you've

695
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:18,790
figured out what it is that you have to

696
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:21,010
say there really isn't anything else to

697
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:24,610
say at that point so there I just keep

698
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:27,310
saying it in different formats well a

699
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:29,080
lot of the new weighed like a lot of New

700
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,290
Age people they'll also talk about you

701
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:35,440
know it's all we're all one and it is

702
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:37,960
all us but they come to a little they

703
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:39,370
take it a different direction and that

704
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,890
they kind of go with this whole well now

705
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:43,840
now that you know your true nature you

706
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:45,700
can manifest your reality but I haven't

707
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:47,530
heard that from you yeah that's that's a

708
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:50,560
lot of ego crap because the game is much

709
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:52,570
much much much much more sophisticated

710
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:56,410
than that and unless you really know who

711
00:29:01,980 --> 00:28:59,580
you are unless you really know yourself

712
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:01,990
you actually don't know what you want

713
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:06,130
because all of reality is actually one

714
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:09,610
massive energetic system that runs on

715
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,790
self-love now if you're confused about

716
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:15,600
who you are and if you're confused about

717
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:19,000
what what reality is then you're going

718
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:21,130
to be very very confused about what it

719
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,560
is that you actually want so the ego may

720
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:25,600
want one thing the ego says oh I really

721
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:26,830
really really really really want this

722
00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:31,020
but your genuine energy that you are

723
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:34,060
might have very very different plans for

724
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:35,680
you and it really doesn't matter what

725
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,410
your ego thinks or what your ego wants

726
00:29:42,390 --> 00:29:41,440
and that is why sometimes reality is

727
00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:42,400
absolute

728
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:44,560
horrific and really horrible nasty

729
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:47,860
things happen that apparently that no

730
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:49,530
one would want that in their right mind

731
00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:53,850
but you have to understand that for one

732
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:57,040
God doesn't give a [\h__\h] in the sense

733
00:30:01,650 --> 00:29:58,090
that God doesn't take anything

734
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,660
personally and we are all just pawns on

735
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:03,520
the chessboard of reality that he is

736
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:06,490
this one being and it is kind of like if

737
00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:08,650
you watch a movie and if you see a

738
00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:11,790
character really suffering in the movie

739
00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:14,140
anything you can imagine wow I bet that

740
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:15,640
character doesn't want that I mean look

741
00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:17,140
you just gotta top it off or something

742
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:19,180
like that yeah from the perspective of

743
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:20,800
the director who's making the movie it

744
00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:22,870
doesn't matter whether that character

745
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:24,550
wants that or not it's moving the story

746
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:27,430
forward for whatever reason and that's

747
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:28,930
ultimately all that we are we're all

748
00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:31,750
just little characters and it sent all

749
00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:33,940
the characters that are playing on the

750
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:35,620
chessboard since they're all actually

751
00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:38,680
the same being it doesn't really matter

752
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:41,740
which one wins or which one loses or

753
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:43,420
which one eats the other one or kills

754
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:45,070
the other one or marries the other one

755
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:46,840
or does anything else because it's all

756
00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:48,550
the same being so we're all in that

757
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:51,280
sense ultimately disposable but so once

758
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:53,590
we start thinking about what are my own

759
00:30:59,460 --> 00:30:56,110
personal desires and how do I manifest

760
00:31:01,410 --> 00:30:59,470
them well the reality is you get

761
00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:01,420
clearing yourself and then you work on

762
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,160
it you can't sit around and think about

763
00:31:07,170 --> 00:31:04,960
oh well I really want this or I really

764
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:07,180
want that I mean that's just the ego

765
00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:09,130
playing with itself and you know

766
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:10,540
sometimes it seems to work and then he

767
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:12,010
goes says oh wow it really totally

768
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:14,140
worked but most of the time people are

769
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:15,700
just deluding themselves when they're

770
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:19,330
thinking that way it's harsh I know but

771
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:21,910
hey no I mean it's fair to say because

772
00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,710
I've always I've wondered things like

773
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:25,740
you know well how do you account for

774
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:28,270
really random car accidents you know

775
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:31,030
who's who's manifesting that something

776
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:33,070
nobody expected or saw coming like I

777
00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:35,320
guess the argument is oh well you know

778
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:36,790
maybe deep in the back of their mind

779
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:38,530
they were a pessimist and they were just

780
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:40,840
you know welcoming negative energy and

781
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:42,460
yeah we're then people doubt have people

782
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:44,590
then they'll fall back on ideas of karma

783
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:46,450
like oh well you know they had it coming

784
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:49,450
from a previous life or something and it

785
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:51,490
is just ways that people make excuses

786
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:54,820
for themselves and it's also a way that

787
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:56,250
people use to get after

788
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:58,140
themselves oh I should be more positive

789
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,260
i I should just change my mind and

790
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:03,360
things will be better and believe me I

791
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,960
fell into that as well I'm prior to kind

792
00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:08,700
of this radical break that I made with

793
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:11,040
myself I was living in a relationship

794
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:12,390
for many many years that I was very

795
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:14,970
unhappy in and leading the life that

796
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:17,580
ultimately I really censored myself and

797
00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:19,710
shut myself down and didn't allow myself

798
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:21,900
to be myself and all the way through I

799
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:23,910
kept telling myself I just need to

800
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:25,710
change my perspective I need to be more

801
00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:28,350
optimistic I'm just focusing on the

802
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,060
negative and you know the reality is I

803
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:32,340
needed to change my situation and no

804
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:33,930
amount of thinking was going to do that

805
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:35,970
it requires action that's what reality

806
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:38,580
is reality requires genuine action there

807
00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:40,230
certainly there's a lot that we can do

808
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:42,360
with our own perspective of how attached

809
00:32:46,790 --> 00:32:44,190
we get to certain outcomes that we may

810
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:46,800
want so I don't want to say that that's

811
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:49,830
completely bogus but when it comes to

812
00:32:55,670 --> 00:32:52,770
determining what you are really able to

813
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:55,680
do within reality you have to do it

814
00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:58,260
yourself you can't expect reality to

815
00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:00,060
pander to you in some way if you just

816
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,560
think the right thoughts or say the

817
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:02,880
right prayers to do the right which

818
00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:05,340
rules or do the right dance or whatever

819
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:06,660
it is that people think that they need

820
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:09,210
to do or you know say enough Hail Marys

821
00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:10,890
or spin the prayer wheel enough times

822
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:13,920
that it's just the ego playing games and

823
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:15,930
so from my perspective at this point

824
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,090
it's simply a waste of energy well you'd

825
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:20,220
be much better off focusing on finding

826
00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:22,170
clarity within yourself and then

827
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:24,900
choosing clearly which actions are going

828
00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:26,190
to bring you the greatest amount of

829
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:27,900
happiness for the limited time that you

830
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:29,940
have and what do you think is the best

831
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:34,110
way to do that ah infusions they're

832
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:37,050
definitely infusion so maybe I'll give a

833
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:39,510
little bit more background on sure what

834
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:42,270
happened in the sense of how I came to

835
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,170
be able to write being human so like I

836
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:48,000
said my really my experience with

837
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:49,950
in--they agents was with mushrooms and

838
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:53,750
with salvia divinorum and then in around

839
00:34:00,380 --> 00:33:58,140
2007 or so there's actually after I

840
00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:00,390
published my book mushroom wisdom that I

841
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:02,160
had a guy who wanted a copy of the book

842
00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:03,510
but he didn't have any money but he said

843
00:34:06,749 --> 00:34:04,950
hey I'll trade you some stuff so he sent

844
00:34:09,619 --> 00:34:06,759
me some UFO seeds

845
00:34:12,329 --> 00:34:09,629
at a time and yopo seeds are seeds from

846
00:34:15,629 --> 00:34:12,339
trees in in Central and South America

847
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:15,639
that primarily contain 5 m EO d mt 5

848
00:34:20,539 --> 00:34:18,730
methoxy dimethyltryptamine so I started

849
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:20,549
kind of working with that a little bit

850
00:34:24,299 --> 00:34:22,690
it's really a pain in the ass you have

851
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,309
these seeds with this little cover on

852
00:34:27,299 --> 00:34:25,839
them and you have to roast them so that

853
00:34:29,369 --> 00:34:27,309
the cover cracks and you have to remove

854
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:29,379
this little papery cover and then you

855
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:30,730
have like these roasted nuts and then

856
00:34:34,049 --> 00:34:32,049
you have to crush up the roasted nuts

857
00:34:37,289 --> 00:34:34,059
and then you can snort them or you can

858
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:37,299
smoke them and so I found that I prefer

859
00:34:40,649 --> 00:34:38,740
to smoke in the mid it just tastes

860
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,659
really nasty it's not it's not a

861
00:34:45,509 --> 00:34:42,960
pleasant smoking experience by any means

862
00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:45,519
so I had a few experiences of the 5 m EO

863
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:47,859
but nothing that would that I now

864
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:50,710
understand is a full release dose and

865
00:34:55,529 --> 00:34:53,889
actual dose that's effective to bring

866
00:35:00,259 --> 00:34:55,539
you into non-dual state of awareness

867
00:35:03,539 --> 00:35:00,269
that I I wasn't getting that but anyway

868
00:35:05,999 --> 00:35:03,549
I'll just skip over all the drama that

869
00:35:08,279 --> 00:35:06,009
led me to change my life but I ended up

870
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:08,289
leaving my wife I left my job I left my

871
00:35:14,339 --> 00:35:10,390
kids I left California and I ended up

872
00:35:17,339 --> 00:35:14,349
moving here to Ashland Oregon and very

873
00:35:19,799 --> 00:35:17,349
soon after I moved here I didn't have

874
00:35:23,130 --> 00:35:19,809
any work I was just busy looking for any

875
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,140
kind of work I connected with a guy by

876
00:35:29,059 --> 00:35:25,420
applying to a job that he had written

877
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:29,069
the ad for and he checked out my website

878
00:35:34,259 --> 00:35:31,900
before contacting me and at the time I

879
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:34,269
had a theme camp at Burning Man called

880
00:35:38,839 --> 00:35:36,250
the god box and kind of the nickname for

881
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:38,849
the god box was the mystic toad and the

882
00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:41,410
mystic toad act she was a mailbox that I

883
00:35:45,509 --> 00:35:43,720
had created as this toad and we had this

884
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,519
whole ritual over to go in to see the

885
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:47,680
mystic toad and open the god box and see

886
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:49,480
what's in there there's this mailbox

887
00:35:53,609 --> 00:35:51,490
so anyway this guy kind of sees this on

888
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:53,619
my website and he says what kind of

889
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:55,450
mystic toad do you have and I said well

890
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,690
you know it's a mailbox he said oh oh

891
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:00,880
well I have the real thing

892
00:36:06,269 --> 00:36:03,250
and so what he was referring to is the

893
00:36:08,249 --> 00:36:06,279
Sonoran desert toad or bufo alvarius and

894
00:36:11,279 --> 00:36:08,259
this is the only toad on the path that

895
00:36:14,779 --> 00:36:11,289
in its poison that it secretes from its

896
00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:14,789
gland it contains five Meo DMT is

897
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:17,619
extraordinarily powerful and faeo

898
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:19,510
genacore psychedelic compound

899
00:36:26,319 --> 00:36:24,290
and also I will say about five mio DMT

900
00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:26,329
for anyone who's not familiar with it

901
00:36:31,630 --> 00:36:28,220
that this is actually a molecule that's

902
00:36:33,970 --> 00:36:31,640
inside every single human being on the

903
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:33,980
planet and it's inside every mammal and

904
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:37,310
it's in countless species of plants and

905
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:41,030
grasses so it's really really common

906
00:36:44,349 --> 00:36:41,930
within nature

907
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:44,359
somewhat similar to DMT in the sense the

908
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:47,180
DMT dimethyltryptamine is also inside

909
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:49,310
all humans and all mammals and in many

910
00:36:53,859 --> 00:36:51,170
different plants and various other

911
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:53,869
things so these are very very common

912
00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:56,180
molecules and kind of just to briefly

913
00:37:01,780 --> 00:36:57,380
describe the difference

914
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:01,790
DMT then well that's the the main active

915
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:04,040
ingredient in ayahuasca for example and

916
00:37:08,050 --> 00:37:05,930
when you take that orally with a

917
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,060
monoamine oxidase inhibitor then you

918
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,240
experience DMT over the course of

919
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:12,800
usually a couple hours and sometimes it

920
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,450
can be longer depending on the brew the

921
00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:16,160
ayahuasca brew and exactly what's in

922
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:20,060
there if you smoked DMT the experience

923
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:21,650
is actually much stronger and it's much

924
00:37:27,849 --> 00:37:23,630
faster so it comes on in a matter of

925
00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:27,859
seconds and DMT then lasts for maybe

926
00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:30,859
five to fifteen minutes essentially in

927
00:37:38,859 --> 00:37:33,980
terms of one experience with DMT now 5m

928
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,869
EO d mt v methoxy dimethyltryptamine you

929
00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:41,359
also you can smoke that and it comes on

930
00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:43,700
in a matter of seconds and it is much

931
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:47,329
much much stronger than DMT by many

932
00:37:53,650 --> 00:37:50,890
orders of magnitude and it lasts from

933
00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:53,660
mmm twenty to forty minutes to maybe

934
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:56,119
even an hour at time so it's essentially

935
00:38:01,390 --> 00:37:59,720
it's very very strong it's certainly

936
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:01,400
incomparable to anything else I've ever

937
00:38:08,109 --> 00:38:04,730
encountered that salvia that's strong

938
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:08,119
DMT that's strong v methoxy

939
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:09,950
dimethyltryptamine is it's off the

940
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:12,560
charts in terms of sorry when you get a

941
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,170
full release dose so anyway this fellow

942
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:17,119
invited me over to his house and at the

943
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:19,550
time v Meo DMT was legal there's only

944
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:21,530
recently made illegal that was like

945
00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:28,010
january 1915 something like that so it's

946
00:38:31,569 --> 00:38:30,020
just been over a year or so that it's

947
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:31,579
actually been illegal so at the time it

948
00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:32,510
was legal and

949
00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:35,390
item you over to his place and the first

950
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:37,190
time he invited me over was kind of a

951
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:38,750
dud didn't work the second time he

952
00:38:46,270 --> 00:38:41,120
invited me over within a matter of

953
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:46,280
seconds my only reality was God and I

954
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:48,350
had never experienced anything like that

955
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:48,920
before

956
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:51,470
who ever was I thought I was was just

957
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:53,330
completely wiped out the room that I was

958
00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:55,190
in was completely gone and everything

959
00:39:01,780 --> 00:38:59,480
was pure crystalline fractal rainbow

960
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:01,790
white light that stretched on for

961
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:05,390
infinity and was made of pure pulsing

962
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:08,510
living conscious love Wow and it

963
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:10,970
completely overwhelmed me so for the

964
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:12,590
first time in my life the first thing

965
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:15,080
that came out of my mouth within seconds

966
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:17,780
was just thank you God thank you God

967
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,700
thank you and I just went on like that

968
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:22,400
for about an hour so this was this was

969
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:25,670
this was shattering because yeah still

970
00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:27,230
at that time I was still kind of kind of

971
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:29,240
Buddhist and Buddhist Buddha doesn't

972
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:30,710
talk about God and you maybe talk about

973
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:32,510
the Buddha mine or the emptiness of

974
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:36,010
consciousness but this was a conscious

975
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:38,990
being that was made out of love and so

976
00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:41,150
for me that was just God and it was it

977
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:44,120
was so overwhelming so then that

978
00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:47,690
experience then precipitated a whole

979
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,940
chain of events that definitely don't

980
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:51,440
have time to get into now but it took

981
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,990
about 14 months from that very first

982
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:56,000
experience where quote Martin

983
00:40:00,300 --> 00:39:58,010
experienced God and then Martin came

984
00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:00,310
back and said what the hell was that -

985
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:03,140
after about 14 months of working with

986
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:05,090
five Meo DMT and also regularly

987
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,340
attending the Santo dime a church here

988
00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:08,960
in Ashland and drinking dive a which is

989
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:10,580
a form of ayahuasca and also working

990
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:12,770
with mushrooms and salvia is a very very

991
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,020
intense time period I was also very very

992
00:40:18,610 --> 00:40:16,400
poor during his time period is very

993
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:18,620
difficult in many ways but at the end of

994
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:21,020
it there no longer was a distinction

995
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,120
between what I thought of as myself and

996
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:25,040
what I experienced as God so that was

997
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:26,750
kind of the end of the process for me

998
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:28,220
and things have never been the same

999
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:30,410
since then and that actually when that

1000
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:32,660
that occurred it literally was like a

1001
00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:35,690
switch was flipped and then for me at

1002
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:37,550
that point there was no distinction

1003
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:41,150
between the five Meo DMT experience and

1004
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:44,030
just normal everyday reality and yes

1005
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:45,890
that that divide was complete

1006
00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:47,720
begone so what that essentially means is

1007
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:51,080
that I felt like I was tripping mad all

1008
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:54,260
the time yeah how do you fit into it how

1009
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,090
do you fit into this society that way I

1010
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:58,720
didn't know how that was going to work

1011
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,480
because when when I really open up my

1012
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:04,880
energy my voice changes my voice gets

1013
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:07,490
very deep my whole cadence and rhythm

1014
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:10,070
the way that I speak changes I become

1015
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:12,230
much more authoritative I become very

1016
00:41:18,670 --> 00:41:15,830
very very insistent in many ways my

1017
00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:18,680
whole body language changes I become

1018
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:20,540
very geometric in the way that I move

1019
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,180
I'm very symmetrical and so it's very

1020
00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:24,800
intense I mean from my wife's

1021
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:28,040
perspective I met a lovely woman named

1022
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:29,660
jessalyn here in Ashland and moved in

1023
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:31,930
with her and we married each other and

1024
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:35,530
when this occurred from her perspective

1025
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:39,890
Martin was simply gone she didn't know

1026
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:41,270
who I was she didn't know what had

1027
00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:43,850
happened but the man that she thought

1028
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:46,220
she loved was clearly no longer in the

1029
00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:49,670
building and it was really startling

1030
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:53,990
it's and this for me this was um I was

1031
00:41:57,070 --> 00:41:55,490
teaching at the university at the time

1032
00:42:00,010 --> 00:41:57,080
this is when I first started teaching at

1033
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,020
SRU and this was the week before finals

1034
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:01,280
so I had to go in and give my final

1035
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:03,770
lectures and rino review everything for

1036
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:06,680
the final exams for my students and I

1037
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:09,650
had no idea what was going to happen so

1038
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:11,210
it was on a Friday night that my switch

1039
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:13,550
got flipped and I had to go in on Monday

1040
00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:15,290
and give a lecture and all weekend long

1041
00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:17,540
I had just been trippin mad mad mad at

1042
00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:19,460
home and I was I was ecstatic it was

1043
00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:21,980
like yes I've been let out of prison if

1044
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:25,070
is it with his glorious but anyway I

1045
00:42:28,750 --> 00:42:27,470
went to school and I hadn't said

1046
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:28,760
anything to anybody and I walked into

1047
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:30,980
the room and one of my students said oh

1048
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:33,410
hi professor and then I said oh hello

1049
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:36,230
and suddenly my voice had gone back to

1050
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:37,940
the kind of the old Martin voice even

1051
00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:38,840
though it's a little bit different now

1052
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:41,870
than I used to sound it Morlocks back

1053
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:43,940
and yeah I kind of snapped back in and

1054
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:45,950
my energy shifted and I learned at that

1055
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:47,870
moment that as long as I completely

1056
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:50,570
trust that I can always be myself that

1057
00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:52,310
I'll be able to fit into any social

1058
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:54,620
situation and so it's not an issue so

1059
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,780
kind of a metaphor that I use this point

1060
00:43:01,010 --> 00:42:58,440
is that I've learned that I kind

1061
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,020
where the structure of my ego is kind of

1062
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:03,660
a you know a social navigation tool so

1063
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,550
when I'm interacting with other people I

1064
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:07,440
usually sound and act like Martin unless

1065
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:09,060
they really start asking me questions

1066
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,250
and then my energy will shift fairly

1067
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:13,500
dramatically but other than that I go

1068
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,450
out and I you know I play the Martin

1069
00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:17,040
character and I'm very comfortable with

1070
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:18,750
it and I enjoy it because I enjoy

1071
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:19,980
interacting with other people I mean

1072
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,410
that's kind of the point but I had no

1073
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:27,839
idea how I was supposed to navigate that

1074
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:29,970
and it was ultimately just learning to

1075
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,089
trust that as long as I was true to what

1076
00:43:37,099 --> 00:43:35,160
I felt in my energy everything would be

1077
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:37,109
fine so I just I trust everything all

1078
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,859
the time just the way it goes yeah I

1079
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,000
mean that was going to be my next

1080
00:43:46,099 --> 00:43:44,400
question is if you thought that you know

1081
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:46,109
if you still battled with your ego or if

1082
00:43:49,339 --> 00:43:47,490
it was pretty much beaten into

1083
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:49,349
submission by this point it seems like

1084
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:51,180
you kind of you've turned it and you use

1085
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:54,450
it as a positive yeah um one thing that

1086
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:56,609
I always like to stress with people is

1087
00:44:00,319 --> 00:43:58,980
that there's a lot of people get the

1088
00:44:01,940 --> 00:44:00,329
wrong idea about this they talk about

1089
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,950
ego death and they say oh I want to kill

1090
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:04,440
my ego I want to get rid of my ego I

1091
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,500
want to become this no self and that's

1092
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:09,900
fundamentally an ego delusion because

1093
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:11,910
your ego doesn't actually ever go away

1094
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:15,240
permanently now we can transcend it for

1095
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:16,859
a certain time periods especially when

1096
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:18,150
we're working with entheogen and

1097
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:19,290
actually that reminds me I want to come

1098
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:20,609
back to that issue so I'll spin back to

1099
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:24,599
that in a second but we can transcendent

1100
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,490
for certain periods of time and that's

1101
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,319
when we enter into the non-dual state of

1102
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:30,720
awareness but then the ego reasserts

1103
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:34,140
itself and so I went through this it's

1104
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:35,460
kind of this opening closing opening

1105
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:37,560
closing every time I take medicine I

1106
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:39,030
would open and then it would wear off

1107
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,530
and I would close and then I take more

1108
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:42,300
and it opened and then closed open

1109
00:44:46,099 --> 00:44:44,490
closed but what eventually happened is

1110
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,109
that I reach the point where kind of my

1111
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,440
ego opened and now rather than it

1112
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:51,839
automatically clamping back on and

1113
00:44:56,359 --> 00:44:54,300
saying oh that's me now I just kind of

1114
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,369
use it the same way that I might use my

1115
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:58,319
hand if I want to drink water I need to

1116
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,940
use my hand to reach over and get the

1117
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:01,619
glass because I need to use my hand to

1118
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:03,180
do that and there's some things that you

1119
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:05,579
kind of need to use your ego to do in

1120
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:06,990
the sense of interacting with other

1121
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:10,170
people so I use it now it's a part of me

1122
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:11,910
but it's not the prison

1123
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:13,980
that it used to be and that's a really

1124
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,200
really really radical difference and

1125
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:18,480
it's not about killing the ego it's

1126
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:21,089
about freeing yourself from it and that

1127
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:24,780
means you have to learn that it's not

1128
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:27,780
actually you that your ego does

1129
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:30,630
everything that it can to convince you

1130
00:45:35,299 --> 00:45:32,730
in every moment of the day that it is

1131
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:35,309
you and it's very believable but it's

1132
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:37,470
also an excellent liar so it's

1133
00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:39,690
constantly making up this false sense of

1134
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:41,549
self and finding ways to reinforce that

1135
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:44,700
so it takes a lot of work to get out of

1136
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:46,980
that prison and get out of that trap and

1137
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:48,599
it's ultimately only something that you

1138
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:49,710
can do for yourself

1139
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:52,859
so spinning back around now this is what

1140
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,220
I started saying all this was that

1141
00:46:01,839 --> 00:45:57,720
infusions are the best tool for this

1142
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:01,849
process because the ego itself is a

1143
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:04,410
construction of limited energetic

1144
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,359
patterns and these are patterns of ways

1145
00:46:11,779 --> 00:46:09,240
that we think ways that we act ways that

1146
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:11,789
we choose to believe and it even involve

1147
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:14,099
things like our body gestures our tone

1148
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:16,130
of voice the pitch of our voice our

1149
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,690
accent if we have one all of these

1150
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:21,359
things are ways that our ego is trying

1151
00:46:27,019 --> 00:46:24,990
to shape our sense of self by using

1152
00:46:28,549 --> 00:46:27,029
these patterns of energy but there are

1153
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:28,559
ultimately limited patterns of energy

1154
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:30,839
because in shaping a sense of self we

1155
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:32,220
always have to distinguish between what

1156
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:35,609
we say is me versus not me so these

1157
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:37,170
patterns create these limits in these

1158
00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:40,349
barriers now when you work with a really

1159
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:44,900
strong infusion like five mio DMT or

1160
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:48,089
salvia or DMT I mean these can all be

1161
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:49,740
very strong infusions

1162
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:51,510
but it's especially the ones that have

1163
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:54,089
these very fast expansion this very fast

1164
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:56,430
come-on rate that are the most effective

1165
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,099
because experientially what's happening

1166
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:01,680
is our energy is expanding into this

1167
00:47:07,789 --> 00:47:05,520
beyond the body sense of being and so

1168
00:47:10,339 --> 00:47:07,799
it's expanding out very rapidly and it's

1169
00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:10,349
very hard for the ego to effectively

1170
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:13,349
hold on and maintain its energetic

1171
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,210
structures when that is occurring so

1172
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:17,520
it's kind of like we're pushing on all

1173
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,710
of these structures kind of like the ego

1174
00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:21,599
is a dam it's trying to hold back all

1175
00:47:27,070 --> 00:47:22,550
this energy

1176
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:27,080
and if the individual chooses to let go

1177
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:29,630
of all sense of self-identity then their

1178
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:31,640
energy can expand out and their sense of

1179
00:47:35,710 --> 00:47:33,770
identification can then encompass

1180
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:35,720
everything and that becomes the unitary

1181
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:37,490
or the non dual or the mystical

1182
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:40,550
experience where you realize my god it

1183
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:43,460
really is all one and it's it's me it's

1184
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:45,950
one it's everything it's the nature of

1185
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:49,790
being but that only lasts as long as

1186
00:47:54,070 --> 00:47:51,530
that energetic expansion that the

1187
00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:54,080
medicines make possible within your body

1188
00:47:58,510 --> 00:47:56,780
it only lasts for that time period and

1189
00:48:00,940 --> 00:47:58,520
then that energy starts to collapse back

1190
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:00,950
in on itself after the peak and then the

1191
00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:02,990
ego starts to reintegrate because it's

1192
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:05,180
very it's very persistent the ego always

1193
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:07,070
wants to be in charge so I've got

1194
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:09,050
something to do I'm going to create my

1195
00:48:12,850 --> 00:48:10,730
sense of self-identity again I'm going

1196
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:12,860
to re-establish dualistic perception and

1197
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:15,170
experience and so it jumps right in

1198
00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:18,230
there and does that but the way that I

1199
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:19,940
like to describe it is that ultimately

1200
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:22,250
the ego is an energetic problem because

1201
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,170
it's an energetic process that goes on

1202
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:26,000
within our being and it affects our

1203
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:28,040
whole sense of thought process our

1204
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,710
emotions our body it affects everything

1205
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:33,680
that we are and because it's this

1206
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:36,680
energetic issue the solution to the

1207
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:39,260
problem of the ego is also an energetic

1208
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:40,700
solution and the most effective

1209
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:43,880
energetic tool are infusions because

1210
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:45,470
they are essentially these little

1211
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:47,240
crystal and neurotransmitters that

1212
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,250
attach to various places within our body

1213
00:48:53,740 --> 00:48:51,680
and it amplifies our sense of energy so

1214
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:53,750
it's a it's a very I like to kind of

1215
00:48:58,180 --> 00:48:56,570
stress this naturalistic explanation for

1216
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:58,190
what's going on because I don't feel

1217
00:49:01,840 --> 00:48:59,750
that there's any need to resort to kind

1218
00:49:03,550 --> 00:49:01,850
of spiritual terminology or you're

1219
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:03,560
opening your third eye or you're

1220
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:05,240
activating your chakras or you're

1221
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:07,310
elevating your vibration that's all just

1222
00:49:11,770 --> 00:49:09,020
kind of the way that egos want to talk

1223
00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:11,780
about and identify and create objects

1224
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,820
that they then reify but then they're

1225
00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:15,680
experienced but it's just an energetic

1226
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:16,040
issue

1227
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:18,920
so the infusions are just from a

1228
00:49:22,690 --> 00:49:20,630
practical standpoint they're just the

1229
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:22,700
best tool for accomplishing these states

1230
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:25,130
of awareness and once people have

1231
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:27,770
non-dual experiences if they really

1232
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:29,990
learn to work with that and be clear and

1233
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:31,820
present within that they really can come

1234
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:33,410
to a deep understanding of who and what

1235
00:49:35,789 --> 00:49:34,630
they are

1236
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:35,799
and then they can start to take

1237
00:49:39,329 --> 00:49:37,420
responsibility for themselves so that

1238
00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:39,339
their ego isn't projecting out

1239
00:49:45,089 --> 00:49:42,369
everywhere and displacing energy and

1240
00:49:46,589 --> 00:49:45,099
casting judgment and blame and being a

1241
00:49:50,219 --> 00:49:46,599
victim and doing all these things the

1242
00:49:52,469 --> 00:49:50,229
egos do but it you have to learn who you

1243
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:52,479
are in order to be able to learn how to

1244
00:49:56,729 --> 00:49:55,119
not engage your ego because it's always

1245
00:49:58,170 --> 00:49:56,739
going to convince you that it's you so

1246
00:50:00,239 --> 00:49:58,180
you have to have this understanding that

1247
00:50:01,769 --> 00:50:00,249
it's not you and it's not just an

1248
00:50:03,779 --> 00:50:01,779
intellectual proposition you have to

1249
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:03,789
experience it in order to really be able

1250
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:07,089
to learn to work with that right on

1251
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:10,170
yes I've kind of gone down the thread of

1252
00:50:15,539 --> 00:50:13,690
the whole idea of kind of reincarnation

1253
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:15,549
like I've kind of gotten just now

1254
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:18,660
started to explore those ideas and I

1255
00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:21,940
guess it kind of fits conveniently with

1256
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,220
psychedelics in the terms of when people

1257
00:50:30,089 --> 00:50:26,559
say oh go in with an intent and you're

1258
00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:30,099
going to learn something and you know

1259
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:32,470
there's a big New Age push in that

1260
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:34,630
direction but I guess my question is if

1261
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:37,900
our individual perspective does not

1262
00:50:42,569 --> 00:50:40,859
continue and it's just absorbed into the

1263
00:50:44,999 --> 00:50:42,579
great beyond

1264
00:50:47,069 --> 00:50:45,009
what is really the point of even going

1265
00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:47,079
through that transition in a lifetime or

1266
00:50:54,569 --> 00:50:49,329
the point of you know this experience

1267
00:50:57,329 --> 00:50:54,579
itself well the ultimate value is that

1268
00:51:00,749 --> 00:50:57,339
it frees you to live your life in a way

1269
00:51:03,329 --> 00:51:00,759
that is truly joyous and truly truly

1270
00:51:05,849 --> 00:51:03,339
free and that's something that you can't

1271
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:05,859
put a price on I mean we have to keep in

1272
00:51:11,549 --> 00:51:09,430
mind that the ego again is essentially

1273
00:51:14,579 --> 00:51:11,559
it's a liar and it's lying to you all

1274
00:51:16,739 --> 00:51:14,589
the time and because it's so good at it

1275
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,749
we believe the lies that the ego is

1276
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:19,359
telling but it's the constructions of

1277
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:21,729
the ego that lead to things like racism

1278
00:51:28,109 --> 00:51:26,529
war violence crime abuse all of these

1279
00:51:31,650 --> 00:51:28,119
things these are actually all products

1280
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:31,660
of the ego agree so these are even if

1281
00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:34,210
it's not as dramatic as that the ego

1282
00:51:39,089 --> 00:51:36,700
creates these problems in people's lives

1283
00:51:41,819 --> 00:51:39,099
so that they suffer in a way that's

1284
00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:41,829
unnecessary and that's really the main

1285
00:51:46,349 --> 00:51:44,380
point it's not about achieving some

1286
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:46,359
great spiritual state or something like

1287
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:48,170
that it's just about recognizing the

1288
00:51:52,539 --> 00:51:50,450
look there's a whole lot of unnecessary

1289
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:52,549
suffering that's going on here and if

1290
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:54,710
you just got clear on yourself that

1291
00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:57,190
suffering would actually disappear and

1292
00:52:03,370 --> 00:51:59,690
then it's no longer something that you

1293
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:03,380
need to worry about and it coming to a

1294
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:05,030
deep understanding of the nature of the

1295
00:52:10,059 --> 00:52:07,609
self really what I found is all my

1296
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,069
existential worries just vanished

1297
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:12,079
literally vanished overnight

1298
00:52:18,099 --> 00:52:14,690
I have zero fear of death I have zero

1299
00:52:21,309 --> 00:52:18,109
fear of you know doing the wrong thing

1300
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:21,319
spiritually you know I I'm no longer

1301
00:52:24,789 --> 00:52:23,089
concerned with ideas of right and wrong

1302
00:52:26,799 --> 00:52:24,799
I'm only concerned about authenticity

1303
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:26,809
I'm only concerned about being myself

1304
00:52:33,490 --> 00:52:30,020
and that is such a great liberating

1305
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:33,500
relief I mean one way that I like to

1306
00:52:36,789 --> 00:52:35,510
demonstrate this with people's you know

1307
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:36,799
I talk about the energy in their body

1308
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:39,650
and how the ego creates these blocks

1309
00:52:44,170 --> 00:52:42,170
within the natural flow of energy within

1310
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,180
your being and one of the ways that I do

1311
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,920
this is I'll take like a towel and I'll

1312
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,559
twist that towel all up and you know

1313
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,720
pull it into knots and I'll show that to

1314
00:52:56,170 --> 00:52:52,880
people and say this is what your ego is

1315
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,180
doing to you inside it's creating an

1316
00:53:00,430 --> 00:52:58,640
energetic structure that's similar to

1317
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,440
this knot that I've just created now you

1318
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,480
can walk around with this knot inside of

1319
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:03,680
you and all the problems that that

1320
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:06,140
creates or you can learn how to smooth

1321
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:07,670
this out and then I will smooth out the

1322
00:53:10,210 --> 00:53:09,710
towel and open it up and make it nice

1323
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:10,220
and flat

1324
00:53:13,210 --> 00:53:11,720
is that where your energy can be like

1325
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:13,220
this now which do you think is going to

1326
00:53:18,579 --> 00:53:15,530
be more pleasant for you and that's all

1327
00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:18,589
that it boils down to ultimately and if

1328
00:53:25,299 --> 00:53:21,950
if more people were like that this world

1329
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,309
would be so different we would have like

1330
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:27,680
the beard political races going on we

1331
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:29,210
wouldn't we wouldn't have these

1332
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:31,849
financial crises we wouldn't we wouldn't

1333
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:34,700
have so much of what happens within

1334
00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:36,530
human cultures in society it would just

1335
00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:39,380
be gone see that's what frustrates me

1336
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:42,500
the most is when I do psychedelics the

1337
00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:45,790
more I do them the more frustrated I get

1338
00:53:51,099 --> 00:53:48,349
dealing with the society that we've

1339
00:53:53,049 --> 00:53:51,109
built dealing with cops or getting my

1340
00:53:55,089 --> 00:53:53,059
car registered I'm like why the [\h__\h] do

1341
00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:55,099
I have to do this we should be just free

1342
00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:56,660
and this is [\h__\h] and it's costing me

1343
00:54:01,339 --> 00:53:58,520
money and it's hard for me to go to work

1344
00:54:03,329 --> 00:54:01,349
at my nine-to-five job

1345
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:03,339
increasingly everyday when I'm dealing

1346
00:54:07,799 --> 00:54:04,690
with this and I'm like this is not the

1347
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,809
point of this experience and you know

1348
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:09,040
it's really frustrating because I feel

1349
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:11,170
like society's been around for a long

1350
00:54:16,349 --> 00:54:13,690
time and somebody somewhere should have

1351
00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:16,359
been able to prepare better prepare this

1352
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:19,030
for my experience yeah look less

1353
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,160
frustrated yeah kind of the way that I

1354
00:54:26,370 --> 00:54:24,400
look at that now is for one I've

1355
00:54:29,579 --> 00:54:26,380
developed within myself this

1356
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:29,589
unconditional sense of love so even as

1357
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:31,270
frustrating and as terrible of things

1358
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:34,150
may be and as as awful people choices

1359
00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:36,730
may be I still have this overriding

1360
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:38,980
sense of love for all beings and all

1361
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:41,020
things so for me that really takes

1362
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,210
precedent is that so this is kind of a

1363
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:45,280
sense of sympathy there because really I

1364
00:54:49,770 --> 00:54:47,710
just see myself in a confused form when

1365
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:49,780
I see people making bad decisions so I

1366
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:51,970
really just see myself and what I want

1367
00:54:56,819 --> 00:54:55,119
is for myself to be clear and I seen

1368
00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:56,829
that in the other person so I'm able to

1369
00:55:00,569 --> 00:54:59,470
let go of judgment in that sense now so

1370
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:00,579
one thing that I like to say is like

1371
00:55:04,349 --> 00:55:02,530
look I love everyone it doesn't mean I

1372
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:04,359
like everyone personally doesn't mean I

1373
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:07,270
want it personally interact with people

1374
00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:09,130
who are terribly confused and just

1375
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:11,740
spewing out all kinds of garbage but I

1376
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:13,180
still love them at the most fundamental

1377
00:55:22,049 --> 00:55:18,970
level I still love them and also what's

1378
00:55:24,210 --> 00:55:22,059
important is that we have to recognize

1379
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:24,220
that we actually can't change the world

1380
00:55:30,809 --> 00:55:29,200
and we do live within a society that has

1381
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:30,819
all these false structures I mean we're

1382
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:34,720
built on a culture that revolves around

1383
00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:36,970
money which ultimately is a non real

1384
00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:39,700
thing money right only exists because we

1385
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:42,190
agree that it has value but it doesn't

1386
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:44,200
have any inherent value so actually

1387
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,930
money is very very similar to the ego

1388
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,079
because the ego doesn't really exist

1389
00:55:54,569 --> 00:55:52,960
it's just an imaginary agreement that we

1390
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,579
make with ourselves that I am this

1391
00:55:58,289 --> 00:55:56,440
person and I'm going to put value on

1392
00:56:00,510 --> 00:55:58,299
these thoughts beliefs and ideas and so

1393
00:56:02,819 --> 00:56:00,520
money is the same way and that's what

1394
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:02,829
our society is built on and kind of in

1395
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:04,630
the sense that look I still need to use

1396
00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:06,490
my ego and I'm out interacting with

1397
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:07,780
other people or else I will tend to

1398
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:10,150
freak them out or you know who knows

1399
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:12,850
what else might happen

1400
00:56:17,490 --> 00:56:15,250
we still need to work you know that

1401
00:56:19,830 --> 00:56:17,500
that's still a reality of mine I need to

1402
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:19,840
work I've just got downsized at the

1403
00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:21,610
University where I work so adjunct

1404
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:24,580
professors they're taking classes away

1405
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:25,900
from us so that they don't have to pay

1406
00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:27,370
us health insurance so now instead

1407
00:56:30,810 --> 00:56:29,080
instead of teaching three classes a term

1408
00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:30,820
I'm only teaching one I mean this is

1409
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:34,660
just a priority but within that you can

1410
00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:37,090
still be yourself this is the lesson

1411
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:39,640
that I've learned is you can always be

1412
00:56:44,310 --> 00:56:41,770
yourself you can always choose to be

1413
00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:44,320
authentic to yourself and sometimes that

1414
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:45,700
means that there might be consequences

1415
00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:49,630
for that but as long as you're being

1416
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:52,630
yourself you will still feel good about

1417
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,090
yourself and about your reality because

1418
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:57,520
you will know that even though other

1419
00:57:02,040 --> 00:56:59,530
people are confused and so they're

1420
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:02,050
bringing all kinds of harshness into

1421
00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:04,900
your reality at least you've done what

1422
00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:06,790
you can to be yourself and so it's

1423
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:08,260
always about trusting that you can

1424
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:09,760
express yourself and you can be yourself

1425
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,030
and not live in fear of well what would

1426
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,880
happen if I did something different but

1427
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:17,920
also recognizing that you know to some

1428
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:21,030
extent we have to play the game because

1429
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,250
we society isn't enlightened yet it

1430
00:57:28,770 --> 00:57:27,280
hasn't happened it's it's it's not there

1431
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:28,780
so we have to live within that reality

1432
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:31,570
it's about respecting what is actual

1433
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:35,290
than reality and then choosing to always

1434
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:37,930
be ourselves within that and in one last

1435
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:39,310
little bit I would give here is that

1436
00:57:46,070 --> 00:57:43,150
also I'm looking at just the difficult

1437
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:46,080
church objectory of human history is

1438
00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:48,790
from this point I really look at it as

1439
00:57:51,570 --> 00:57:49,300
well

1440
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:51,580
human beings have we've actually been in

1441
00:57:56,550 --> 00:57:53,980
an evolutionarily speaking kind of a

1442
00:57:58,620 --> 00:57:56,560
childhood stage and we've really been

1443
00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:58,630
able to use the planet as our playground

1444
00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:00,070
and we've been able to form different

1445
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:02,140
teams and we're out there playing on the

1446
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:03,910
playground and some of us are bullies

1447
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:06,430
and some of us get bullied but

1448
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:08,070
essentially we've been little kids

1449
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:10,450
because we haven't understood who we are

1450
00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:12,310
we're out we're all out there playing

1451
00:58:16,050 --> 00:58:13,990
and pretending to be something that

1452
00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:16,060
we're not when the reality is each and

1453
00:58:20,010 --> 00:58:18,340
every one of us is God and it's actually

1454
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:20,020
about time that we started living up to

1455
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:21,940
that it's time for human beings to grow

1456
00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:24,010
up and stop playing the [\h__\h]

1457
00:58:26,540 --> 00:58:25,840
make-believe games because it's getting

1458
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:26,550
kind of nasty

1459
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:28,770
on the playground and we're a bit more

1460
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:31,410
mature than that now so it's just time

1461
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:37,050
but that maturing takes time it takes

1462
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:40,020
people being willing to commit

1463
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:43,350
themselves to learning who they truly

1464
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:44,970
are and then living in that reality

1465
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,400
rather than within the illusions it's

1466
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:50,220
not easy growing up so I have a lot of

1467
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,220
sympathy in that respect but at the same

1468
00:58:56,510 --> 00:58:54,960
time I also recognize that I personally

1469
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:56,520
have a limited amount of patience

1470
00:58:59,180 --> 00:58:57,900
because I also recognize that I only

1471
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:59,190
have a limited amount of time in this

1472
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:00,900
body and from this experience and I

1473
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,420
really would like the planet to get as

1474
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:05,040
best as it can be in the time period

1475
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:06,990
that I have so that's why I invest my

1476
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:09,990
energy in writing books and you know

1477
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:12,810
speaking on podcasts about how people

1478
00:59:16,790 --> 00:59:15,270
can find clarity because I want to share

1479
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,800
that because these are all just other

1480
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:18,900
versions of me and I know that I

1481
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:21,000
appreciate the clarity and if I'd

1482
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,770
appreciate it from here from this body

1483
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,720
from this perspective I can appreciate

1484
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:26,700
it from those other ones as well so I do

1485
00:59:31,070 --> 00:59:29,310
what I can to spread clarity but

1486
00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:31,080
ultimately it's up to individuals

1487
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:32,550
everyone's got to do it for themselves

1488
00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:34,590
because there's no Savior out there to

1489
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:36,300
take care of everyone and hold our hands

1490
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:38,550
and wipe our ass and blow our nose for

1491
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:42,690
us we got to do it amen sir

1492
00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:44,580
well hey before we go I want to get to a

1493
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:46,200
couple of questions that were submitted

1494
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:49,140
by readers on the higher side chats

1495
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:51,810
forum and on reddit yeah that's cool

1496
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:55,140
with you yeah well from the forum Kyle

1497
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:57,890
says he loves being human number one and

1498
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:01,380
he has two questions how do we transform

1499
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,210
society to use psychedelics as a

1500
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,220
coming-of-age experience rather than a

1501
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:07,920
criminal offense and I'll let you answer

1502
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:08,940
that because the other ones not really

1503
01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:11,400
related okay well I actually put out a

1504
01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:14,790
podcast just last month where for the

1505
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:16,950
first time on my podcast I spoke about

1506
01:00:20,090 --> 01:00:19,020
marijuana and I did it because a lot of

1507
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:20,100
people have asked me well what do you

1508
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,960
think about marijuana and I realized I

1509
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:23,760
never talked about it on the podcast and

1510
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:25,050
I always kind of felt it was sort of an

1511
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:27,150
obvious issue but something that came to

1512
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:28,710
mind and really thinking about it was

1513
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:32,190
look if there's one issue if there's one

1514
01:00:37,610 --> 01:00:34,770
linchpin issue that actually could turn

1515
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:37,620
the tide of virtually everything within

1516
01:00:43,329 --> 01:00:40,250
society from politics to

1517
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:43,339
to incarceration to laws to way we deal

1518
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:45,290
with youth and education and healthcare

1519
01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:48,770
and economics and fuel and building

1520
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:50,750
materials and virtually everything else

1521
01:00:56,589 --> 01:00:53,510
that one issue would be pot would be

1522
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:56,599
marijuana and I think that this is what

1523
01:00:59,410 --> 01:00:58,250
now we're seeing in the United States

1524
01:01:01,650 --> 01:00:59,420
that we're really reaching the tipping

1525
01:01:03,940 --> 01:01:01,660
point where more and more people are

1526
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:03,950
accepting of marijuana and I would

1527
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:06,020
classify marijuana as kind of a mild

1528
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:09,530
infusion so I think that in turning the

1529
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,710
tide of helping to end prohibition on

1530
01:01:18,510 --> 01:01:15,200
marijuana that that actually could be

1531
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:18,520
the watershed moment that allows the

1532
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:22,880
re-entry the legitimacy you know the

1533
01:01:29,290 --> 01:01:26,030
above the Gateway if you have re-entry

1534
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:29,300
of these kinds of medicines back into

1535
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:30,770
our society and I think that people have

1536
01:01:34,900 --> 01:01:32,089
been chipping away at this for a long

1537
01:01:37,089 --> 01:01:34,910
time with medical marijuana and local

1538
01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:37,099
votes and things like that but I think

1539
01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:41,270
that once that floodgate opens up I

1540
01:01:47,410 --> 01:01:43,190
think that's really where things are

1541
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:47,420
going to change and at that point then

1542
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:49,130
we really might be able to talk about

1543
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:52,460
well how do we introduce these things to

1544
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:54,650
our youth I mean it's still such I mean

1545
01:01:59,200 --> 01:01:56,329
it's an issue when you raise the issue

1546
01:02:01,000 --> 01:01:59,210
of pot you know the politicians who are

1547
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:01,010
against it always say oh the children

1548
01:02:04,270 --> 01:02:02,240
the children and that's the only thing

1549
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:04,280
they really have to say anymore because

1550
01:02:09,490 --> 01:02:06,440
all that all the propaganda has been

1551
01:02:11,050 --> 01:02:09,500
disproven so I think that that would

1552
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:11,060
then allow us to start having this

1553
01:02:15,970 --> 01:02:13,910
discussion at a more culture wide level

1554
01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:15,980
and I think people are getting ready for

1555
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:17,300
it but I think if we could break that

1556
01:02:23,319 --> 01:02:21,050
issue with marijuana that that that's

1557
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:23,329
the one to focus on so that's my brief

1558
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:27,920
answer to that but um his other question

1559
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:29,569
I think I kind of know what you're going

1560
01:02:34,059 --> 01:02:31,640
to say but uh do you think there are

1561
01:02:37,140 --> 01:02:34,069
other types of life or beans that are

1562
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:37,150
connected to us beyond the five senses

1563
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:40,490
no no I mean it'd be great if there were

1564
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:42,170
I really think it would be greater they

1565
01:02:47,859 --> 01:02:45,710
could be really interesting but um no no

1566
01:02:49,780 --> 01:02:47,869
it's essentially and I guess also when I

1567
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:49,790
would say beyond the five senses you

1568
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:52,089
know I would want to mention it

1569
01:02:56,890 --> 01:02:53,910
physiologically your heart

1570
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:56,900
a very large electromagnetic field and

1571
01:03:01,100 --> 01:02:58,890
it's important for people to actually

1572
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:01,110
understand that their heart is in many

1573
01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:02,520
respects an extremely sophisticated

1574
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,150
sense organ okay so we talked about we

1575
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:08,220
gather touch and you have smell and

1576
01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:10,170
sight and hearing and taste and all

1577
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:11,550
these things when we talk about the five

1578
01:03:15,590 --> 01:03:14,250
senses and when sometimes people want to

1579
01:03:17,060 --> 01:03:15,600
talk about the third eye or something

1580
01:03:18,830 --> 01:03:17,070
like that I just like to call that the

1581
01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:18,840
divine imagination as I write about

1582
01:03:26,090 --> 01:03:21,510
being human but the heart actually is a

1583
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:26,100
sense organ and look actually since

1584
01:03:32,510 --> 01:03:29,910
we're all one being when the energy of

1585
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:32,520
the ego drops the heart energy between

1586
01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:34,530
two different physical beings can

1587
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:36,360
completely coincide with each other and

1588
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:38,730
they experience themselves as looking at

1589
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:40,140
each other in a mirror and it's really

1590
01:03:43,310 --> 01:03:41,640
quite beautiful and quite profound

1591
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:43,320
so in that sense we certainly can

1592
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:46,530
connect through ways that aren't just

1593
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:49,680
our visual senses our physical senses

1594
01:03:54,070 --> 01:03:51,810
that we have this energetic field of the

1595
01:03:56,330 --> 01:03:54,080
heart which is very very powerful and

1596
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:56,340
influences every aspect of our

1597
01:04:01,580 --> 01:03:59,220
experience but in terms of inner psychic

1598
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:01,590
space and things like that no it's it's

1599
01:04:06,590 --> 01:04:04,710
all you and it can be so convincingly

1600
01:04:09,830 --> 01:04:06,600
other I mean that's the really fun part

1601
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:09,840
about it that it can seem like wow

1602
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:12,660
there's there's some insect alien here

1603
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:15,420
looking at me what the machine elves and

1604
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:17,490
what I mean I've seen this stuff I know

1605
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:20,370
it's there but it's almost like this

1606
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:21,960
joke where suddenly you realize oh my

1607
01:04:25,940 --> 01:04:23,850
god that's me I'm just looking in a

1608
01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:25,950
mirror I've created this image in the

1609
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:29,400
mirror and it's and it's me it's one way

1610
01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:31,110
I describe it is like imagine you're at

1611
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:32,340
a puppet show and you're watching this

1612
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:34,230
puppet show and you're having a great

1613
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:35,730
time you're just engrossed in the puppet

1614
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:38,130
show but suddenly you realize that the

1615
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:40,410
puppets are actually sitting on your own

1616
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:43,050
hands and you're the one acting out the

1617
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:44,940
show but you thought you were just a

1618
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:46,260
member of the audience and that's

1619
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:48,770
essentially what's going on there um

1620
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:52,440
right on okay Kari from the THC forms as

1621
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:54,900
well she asks regarding the Occupy

1622
01:04:59,330 --> 01:04:57,180
movement and other uprisings around the

1623
01:05:01,370 --> 01:04:59,340
world what's your advice to people who

1624
01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:01,380
dissent against oppressive governments

1625
01:05:04,610 --> 01:05:03,120
and do you think this awakening and

1626
01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:04,620
rebellion are in any shape or form

1627
01:05:12,980 --> 01:05:07,470
related to the idea of 2012 and

1628
01:05:15,050 --> 01:05:12,990
new age of evolution um no I dare I

1629
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:15,060
think I think the whole 2012 thing is a

1630
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:17,609
lot of smoke and mirrors so first of all

1631
01:05:21,859 --> 01:05:20,040
I would just radically dismiss that I

1632
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:21,869
think the Occupy movement I think it's

1633
01:05:25,099 --> 01:05:23,160
really important I think it's really

1634
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:25,109
powerful because essentially what's

1635
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:29,520
happening there is unfortunately it kind

1636
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:31,020
of takes this that we need to reach the

1637
01:05:34,099 --> 01:05:32,400
breaking point where things get bad

1638
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:34,109
enough that people actually decide oh

1639
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:35,970
[\h__\h] it I'm not going to take it anymore

1640
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:37,260
I'm going to do something about it and

1641
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:38,400
so that's kind of the point that we're

1642
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:40,290
reaching and so in that sense I'm very

1643
01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:42,750
excited about it and I think that it's

1644
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:44,840
an incredibly important thing that

1645
01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:47,910
people take action I mean that's all

1646
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:49,740
about being true to your energy if you

1647
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:52,410
see something if you feel something act

1648
01:05:56,540 --> 01:05:54,570
on I don't just sit around and I run

1649
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:56,550
somebody else gonna do it or you know

1650
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,680
why won't things just get better you

1651
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:00,720
know it doesn't work that way but within

1652
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:05,400
that I would also urge people to is move

1653
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:08,010
as deep as the frustration may become

1654
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:09,960
and especially when we see the haves

1655
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:12,119
versus the have-nots and you know we see

1656
01:06:16,790 --> 01:06:14,760
the fat cats up there in their balconies

1657
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:16,800
ship sipping champagne and smoking

1658
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:18,570
cigars and laughing at the protesters

1659
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:20,970
that hits it's hot it's really easy to

1660
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:23,490
get into dualistic opposition's of it's

1661
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:26,490
us versus them and it's just important

1662
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:28,490
to always remember hey we're all one

1663
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:32,190
literally we're all one being and that

1664
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:34,050
person sitting up there drinking the

1665
01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:35,760
champagne and laughing at the protesters

1666
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:39,420
that's you too that's actually you so

1667
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:42,330
just keep that in mind in terms of how

1668
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,790
you direct your passions and how you let

1669
01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:47,640
your thoughts shape around the issues

1670
01:06:53,770 --> 01:06:50,280
because dividing is never going to do

1671
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:53,780
anything it needs to be the recognition

1672
01:07:00,980 --> 01:06:56,430
look what we really want to share what

1673
01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:00,990
the 1% is hey you know were we really

1674
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:04,740
are all one so do we really need to have

1675
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:07,530
this radical social stratification do we

1676
01:07:10,790 --> 01:07:08,970
need to have the dominators and the

1677
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:10,800
Dominator do we need to have the

1678
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:13,650
manipulators and the manipulated you

1679
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:14,910
know why are we creating these

1680
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:16,740
relationships because you know it

1681
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:18,570
affects them too that's the thing is

1682
01:07:21,310 --> 01:07:19,890
there's no such thing as a one-way

1683
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,320
street

1684
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:24,240
given the disparities within society and

1685
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:25,950
the suffering that it causes at the

1686
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,830
lower financial end of the spectrum well

1687
01:07:34,790 --> 01:07:30,480
those people on the top end of the

1688
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,800
spectrum they're afraid they've got all

1689
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,960
kinds of fear and all kinds of

1690
01:07:41,540 --> 01:07:39,240
unhappiness and all kinds of their own

1691
01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:41,550
ego confusion so actually we can be

1692
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:45,120
compassionate for them and so I would

1693
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:47,370
just always urge you know I used to be

1694
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:49,050
so passionate about so many social

1695
01:07:52,820 --> 01:07:50,550
issues I used to go door-to-door and

1696
01:07:54,290 --> 01:07:52,830
raising money and signing petitions and

1697
01:07:57,050 --> 01:07:54,300
writing letters and making phone calls

1698
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,060
and you know now I've really focused on

1699
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
how do I help individual people because

1700
01:08:03,530 --> 01:08:01,680
that's where I see the most effective

1701
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:03,540
means of making real change because the

1702
01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:05,850
danger of engaging in society and trying

1703
01:08:11,180 --> 01:08:09,180
to affect change that way is that just

1704
01:08:12,350 --> 01:08:11,190
new ego patterns take over and they

1705
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:12,360
might be better for a while but

1706
01:08:16,220 --> 01:08:13,770
ultimately as long as we're dealing with

1707
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:16,230
the ego we're dealing with illusions and

1708
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,580
so there's always going to be a sense of

1709
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:20,640
dissatisfaction and a less than optimal

1710
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:24,000
result from that and so that's again why

1711
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:26,010
the clarity the personal individual

1712
01:08:29,690 --> 01:08:28,140
clarity becomes so important so that we

1713
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:29,700
don't keep making the same kinds of

1714
01:08:35,329 --> 01:08:31,980
mistakes and putting out the same kinds

1715
01:08:38,650 --> 01:08:35,339
of projections but overall I would just

1716
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:38,660
say good luck to all the protesters

1717
01:08:45,460 --> 01:08:40,620
always keep it real

1718
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:45,470
and yes act on what you feel and

1719
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:48,960
especially especially when it's so

1720
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:51,210
tempting to get mad and angry get in

1721
01:08:54,710 --> 01:08:52,859
touch with your heart don't it's not

1722
01:08:56,750 --> 01:08:54,720
about what you think it's about what you

1723
01:08:58,730 --> 01:08:56,760
feel so get in touch with what you feel

1724
01:09:00,200 --> 01:08:58,740
and then act from that place and as long

1725
01:09:02,540 --> 01:09:00,210
as you're doing that you're doing the

1726
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:02,550
right thing nice um

1727
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:04,950
you got time for two more sure all right

1728
01:09:11,540 --> 01:09:09,480
from reddit user Frank 769 asks what

1729
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:11,550
contributes to the social stigma against

1730
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:13,680
psychedelics in society and in what way

1731
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:17,010
does said stigma benefit corporations

1732
01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:19,170
government and established religion okay

1733
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:21,960
that's a kind of a big question but for

1734
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:24,900
one overall largest society does not

1735
01:09:29,750 --> 01:09:27,450
understand psychedelics okay most

1736
01:09:31,849 --> 01:09:29,760
cultures around the world historically

1737
01:09:33,650 --> 01:09:31,859
don't understand psychedelics and even

1738
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,660
in cultures where psychedelics have been

1739
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:35,279
used

1740
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:40,440
an elite group within that society so

1741
01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:42,210
maybe the society at large doesn't even

1742
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:44,819
really know about that now there of

1743
01:09:48,049 --> 01:09:46,259
course there are many exceptions to that

1744
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:48,059
especially in Central and South America

1745
01:09:55,069 --> 01:09:51,000
but like look for example in Hinduism

1746
01:09:57,109 --> 01:09:55,079
most Hindus would say that psychedelics

1747
01:09:58,729 --> 01:09:57,119
have nothing whatsoever to do with their

1748
01:10:01,129 --> 01:09:58,739
religion and they would look at that as

1749
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:01,139
something strange and as something

1750
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,409
unacceptable but there are members in

1751
01:10:07,549 --> 01:10:06,719
the Hindu tradition particularly

1752
01:10:09,529 --> 01:10:07,559
shaivites

1753
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:09,539
who spent a great deal of time smoking

1754
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:12,090
pot and eating mushrooms and doing

1755
01:10:15,649 --> 01:10:13,860
things like that but even within their

1756
01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:15,659
own culture and society they're not well

1757
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:20,460
understood so historically just there

1758
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:23,369
hasn't been widespread knowledge of what

1759
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:25,500
these things really are and what they

1760
01:10:30,379 --> 01:10:28,230
really do so there's a lot of fear

1761
01:10:33,229 --> 01:10:30,389
because it's very clear to everyone that

1762
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:33,239
they have very very powerful effects but

1763
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:35,340
since then it's not understood that

1764
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:36,900
there's a lot of fear and there's a lot

1765
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:41,369
of misunderstanding they're also you

1766
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:42,719
know just in terms of our own

1767
01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:45,630
contemporary modern society our modern

1768
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:47,699
society would much prefer people to

1769
01:10:55,029 --> 01:10:51,590
drink alcohol and to become numb egos

1770
01:10:58,819 --> 01:10:55,039
then it would prefer people to become

1771
01:11:00,979 --> 01:10:58,829
truly awake and aware because that

1772
01:11:02,779 --> 01:11:00,989
serves the power structures within our

1773
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:02,789
society better and it's not necessarily

1774
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:04,440
even a conscious choice that people are

1775
01:11:09,649 --> 01:11:07,800
making it's it's just the way that it is

1776
01:11:13,609 --> 01:11:09,659
that are the current structures of

1777
01:11:15,589 --> 01:11:13,619
society are not served by people working

1778
01:11:17,299 --> 01:11:15,599
with psychedelics and entheogen --zz and

1779
01:11:18,770 --> 01:11:17,309
of course for those of us who do we say

1780
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,780
well well yeah that's because we

1781
01:11:22,759 --> 01:11:20,880
actually can see how life can be a lot

1782
01:11:26,299 --> 01:11:22,769
better that we can change a lot of the

1783
01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:26,309
ways that we do things but there's the

1784
01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:29,820
ego is always resistant to change the

1785
01:11:33,799 --> 01:11:31,949
ego is always more comfortable with

1786
01:11:36,819 --> 01:11:33,809
things that it thinks it knows versus

1787
01:11:38,839 --> 01:11:36,829
things that thinks it doesn't know so

1788
01:11:40,819 --> 01:11:38,849
psychedelics infusions they're just

1789
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,829
they're a great big fear out there and

1790
01:11:45,109 --> 01:11:42,480
of course the way that the ego works is

1791
01:11:47,930 --> 01:11:45,119
that it projects everything on to what

1792
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:47,940
it fears and so there's

1793
01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:52,010
there's a great deal of illusion between

1794
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:54,750
reality and the way that mainstream

1795
01:11:58,370 --> 01:11:56,940
society really looks at psychedelics I

1796
01:12:00,380 --> 01:11:58,380
think that the fact that now there's a

1797
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:00,390
resurgent and psychedelic research I

1798
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:01,860
think that that is really going to help

1799
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,580
change a lot of attitudes and you know

1800
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:07,080
things like doing this podcast because

1801
01:12:12,020 --> 01:12:08,640
the more that people hear about these

1802
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:12,030
things and and realize that maybe it's

1803
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:13,440
not all the fruit food stuff they

1804
01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:14,910
thought it was and maybe it's not all

1805
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:16,470
the crazy stuff they thought it was -

1806
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:17,610
maybe there's some really really

1807
01:12:22,190 --> 01:12:20,100
profound and powerful things here I mean

1808
01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:22,200
we can see that it helps people with all

1809
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:24,750
kinds of mental issues and emotional

1810
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:29,730
issues and psychological issues there

1811
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:31,380
again I do think that the tide is

1812
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:34,530
turning but it takes people being

1813
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:37,410
willing to talk about it openly and

1814
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:38,640
discuss it because as long as it's just

1815
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:40,350
underground then it's more just secret

1816
01:12:45,020 --> 01:12:42,750
society countercultural stuff and you

1817
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:45,030
know it can kind of burn out or whatever

1818
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:46,410
it's time to bring it out into the open

1819
01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:49,890
let's talk about it here yeah alright

1820
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:54,390
lastly this reddit pimp dole Durer he

1821
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:55,770
wants to know well he wants to know if

1822
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:56,820
you're familiar with Rick Strassman

1823
01:13:01,880 --> 01:12:59,190
hypothesis on DMT which of course I know

1824
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:01,890
you are that said what's your take on

1825
01:13:07,220 --> 01:13:03,540
the pineal gland and its usefulness

1826
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:07,230
considering your philosophy ah yeah this

1827
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:10,070
is an important one um Rick Strassman

1828
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:13,440
clearly stated in his research in no

1829
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:16,530
uncertain terms that he hypothesized

1830
01:13:23,210 --> 01:13:21,120
that the pineal gland is related to the

1831
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:23,220
production of endogenous DMT in the body

1832
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:25,530
and he's also very clear in stating that

1833
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:29,010
who has knowledge there is no such

1834
01:13:35,150 --> 01:13:32,820
evidence yet available so that is pure

1835
01:13:36,740 --> 01:13:35,160
speculation it might be true but the

1836
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,750
just the only thing that we need to

1837
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:39,120
recognize at this point is that no one

1838
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,560
has shown a connection between the

1839
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:42,540
pineal gland and DMT so anything that

1840
01:13:47,180 --> 01:13:44,820
anyone ever says about that is pure

1841
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:47,190
speculation and from any kind of

1842
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:49,020
scientific standpoint we don't have any

1843
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,570
idea so that's my quick answer to that

1844
01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:54,000
one audible muttering yeah and that's

1845
01:13:58,730 --> 01:13:56,150
fair but have you ever looked into the

1846
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:58,740
symbolism of the pinecone in the

1847
01:14:01,790 --> 01:14:00,600
Catholic Church and various secret

1848
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:01,800
societies

1849
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:05,340
leading that to the pineal noive I'm a

1850
01:14:09,260 --> 01:14:07,320
little bit familiar with that I mean

1851
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:09,270
honestly at this point so this is the

1852
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:10,440
kind of thing that I used to spend a lot

1853
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,410
of time really digging into um and I

1854
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:16,080
simply don't anymore um you know people

1855
01:14:19,010 --> 01:14:17,340
ask me like Oh what are you reading

1856
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:19,020
these days well I'm reading Stephen King

1857
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:22,260
uh you know i-i've actually reached the

1858
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:24,600
point where all I really I'm interested

1859
01:14:29,180 --> 01:14:26,670
in is know I do research for the classes

1860
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:29,190
that I teach you know like I'm teaching

1861
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:30,930
a class on Tibetan Buddhism right now so

1862
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:32,430
I got a you know brush up on my Tibetan

1863
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:34,770
Buddhism and look at all that stuff but

1864
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:37,380
in terms of looking at ancient societies

1865
01:14:41,210 --> 01:14:39,690
and cultures and mystical systems I mean

1866
01:14:42,890 --> 01:14:41,220
I did all that I was a graduate student

1867
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:42,900
for many years I read hundreds and

1868
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:44,490
hundreds and hundreds of pages and books

1869
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:46,050
and books and books and all kinds of

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stuff and now I just want to read a good

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01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:50,760
story that's really all I'm interested

1872
01:14:57,740 --> 01:14:55,680
in right on Walmart in my man um this

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01:14:59,690 --> 01:14:57,750
has been pretty much the highlight of my

1874
01:15:02,030 --> 01:14:59,700
goddamn week and I feel way better about

1875
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:02,040
going deep with DMT trying to overcome

1876
01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:04,140
my ego to truly experience reality

1877
01:15:06,290 --> 01:15:05,670
beyond the illusion of duality and

1878
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:06,300
separateness

1879
01:15:12,530 --> 01:15:09,780
so thank well there you go rock on um

1880
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:12,540
where can people get your books and keep

1881
01:15:17,150 --> 01:15:14,910
up with your work and what you're up to

1882
01:15:19,580 --> 01:15:17,160
well the most central location in

1883
01:15:22,190 --> 01:15:19,590
cyberspace would be just martin ball

1884
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:22,200
dotnet and that's where i have you know

1885
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:23,850
i'm also a musician so I've got all my

1886
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:25,560
music there I've got I have fiction

1887
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:27,930
books and I have nonfiction books and

1888
01:15:32,060 --> 01:15:29,460
books about entheogen and I got all that

1889
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:32,070
there and beyond that my music is

1890
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:33,960
available on iTunes my books are

1891
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:36,120
available on Amazon and at the iBook

1892
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:38,520
store so they're fairly easy to find the

1893
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:40,140
only caution that I put out there is

1894
01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:42,450
that there's a guy on Amazon also called

1895
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:44,670
Martin no not on Amazon iTunes called

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01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:45,450
Martin bull Oh

1897
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:47,160
Shem who's got some music out there

1898
01:15:51,170 --> 01:15:48,930
that's all like Christian worship praise

1899
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:51,180
stuff and that's not me do not get

1900
01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:53,940
confused yeah and there's also a Merton

1901
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:55,950
ball who like does Welsh phonetics or

1902
01:15:59,390 --> 01:15:57,090
something like that as an author and

1903
01:16:00,980 --> 01:15:59,400
well that that's not me so I just look

1904
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:00,990
for the books on entheogen in the world

1905
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:04,320
that that's me right on well thanks

1906
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:06,300
again man this has been awesome I really

1907
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:07,260
appreciate it

1908
01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:08,580
well I really enjoyed speaking with you

1909
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:10,230
and great questions I appreciate it all

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01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:12,450
right man enjoy your night alright

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01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:13,870
cheerio

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01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:15,700
that is the show people thanks for

1913
01:16:18,990 --> 01:16:17,110
listening if you like to get involved in

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01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:19,000
the conversation please please please

1915
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:20,560
check out the forums at the higher side

1916
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:23,170
chess comm you can request guests there

1917
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:24,910
and pose questions to future guess I'm

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01:16:28,050 --> 01:16:26,770
going to have on the podcast also please

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01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:28,060
check out the designs the new

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01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:29,890
counterculture t-shirt company can

1921
01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:32,860
spirit ease at conspiracies net it's

1922
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:34,120
been a slow start and would really

1923
01:16:37,410 --> 01:16:35,530
appreciate your business you can

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actually put in the coupon code higher